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Abraham Interviews Roger Dagget
ADAM: A lot of people are asking the question what is
structured water and why should I care? More specifically,
why should anyone believe that a device that relies on no
external forces, such as magnets, electricity or filters,
could actually effect water quality in any measurable way?
Some answers are easier to demonstrate than they are to
explain.
With that in mind, I hit the road. We're on our way to a
greenhouse outside of Coolidge, Arizona between Phoenix and
Tucson. We're going to meet Roger Dagget, whose impression
of the Utopic Water Device began with some amazing cucumbers
that his greenhouse yielded. But it didn't end there. In
addition to an amazing yield of cucumbers which originally
got his attention, Roger noticed some other effect of his
change to the Utopic Water Device which, if we didn't know
better, might even be considered mystical.
And by the way, by the time we learned of these amazing
cucumbers, they were already at market and had been sold. So
as it turned out, the cucumbers were just a beginning. Roger
starts off by showing us some promising results he is
experiencing now with tomatoes.
ROGER: What we're attempting to do is grow high nutrient
value produce. Without going into too much detail, we use a
refractometer to measure the nutrient density of our
produce. Our objective is not to grow so much high volume
produce as you can see we have here, but to make sure that
each piece of produce that we have is full of nutrition.
ADAM: I am going to interrupt and ask why is that a problem?
Is there some question about nutritional value that we're
not aware of? That is what I would like to know.
ROGER: When I started this project 9 years ago I started in
the water end of the business and I started working with
structured water clear back in the year 2000, and after I
figured out how to structure water the next question that
came was how do we build the soil? The water will carry the
nutrient to the soil but what is our base for soil? I looked
for the answer from one coast to the other.
Finally I came up with the equation that said it doesn't
matter how green, tall and bushy a plant is, what matters is
the nutrient density of the plant. You can measure that with
an instrument called a Refractometer, and it gives a reading
called Brix. I started with the produce I have been buying
at high, high retail prices, all organic produce, high
prices, and I was depressed for 30 days because they were
all low nutrient density. I got low readings on the
Refractometer.
ADAM: Everything was great, they were priced high, as you
would expect from something that had those good looks, but
you also assume it has some nutrient value, but really the
most important aspect of it was missing.
ROGER: Right, that being the nutrient density. So the long
road started. There are several iterations and this is where
we have ended up.
We have had some growth explosion here, because if you look
over here, here is the trellis wire and this is row number 1
and row number 2, row number 3. These are 83 inches in
height right here.
Now, the game plan was that row number 1 was supposed to go
right here and this is where it would grow. And then we put
row number 2 here. As you can see, row number 1 has expanded
clear over here into row number 4, so we have got double the
growth that was anticipated, based on the paradigm that was
shown to us to grow by.
We also have an error down here (indicating). The
recommendation was to put the tomatoes eight inches apart. I
knew I was going to have a little more energy than the eight
inches so I put them a foot apart. And you can see even at a
foot apart we came in so dense that they actually
cannibalized each other; you can't tell where one plant
begins and the other one ends.
You can see we have a tremendous amount of tomatoes set
here. The really good news is I have only had three of them
turn red so far, and one of them Brixed out at 12.2. Now, my
goal was to get to 14. Whether any of these get to 14 or I
don't know, but I tested tomatoes from one coast to the
other and never got one in double digit. I have talked to
people that have had double digit tomatoes but I never
personally tested one. Most of the tomatoes I have tested
out of the local gardens around the Coolidge area here have
tested below 5. That is why I was depressed for 30 days,
because I paid five bucks a pound for tomatoes and they were
virtually below par.
That is one of the reasons that we have such a health crisis
in the United States today and why it is so hard for people
to stick with a good diet because when they give up their
Big Mac and they give up their Hostess Twinkies to eat the
tomato, they get one that has got such low nutritive value
that they don't experience a change in their health and so
they say why keep doing this?
ADAM: That's true, and there is a trust factor, there is a
fiduciary factor from the producer's standpoint. We're going
to these stores, buying and specifying these types of
products with the expectation that they have in them what
nature has intended to be in them, and yet when it becomes
an acceptable practice to irradiate these products or do
other types of things and still call them organic, then a
huge disservice is being perpetrated.
ROGER: Absolutely. The exciting thing about it is the first
Refractometer that I got that was used over at Bottled Water
Images cost $5,000. I sent it back to the manufacturer to
get it calibrated to make sure it was working, and talked to
them, and that is how much that unit sold more new.
Today, just like everything else in the world of technology,
you can buy a wonderful little Refractometer that is much
simpler to operate and just as accurate and it costs you
$300. So there is absolutely no reason for anyone not to
have a refractometer. You can actually get the analog
refractometer today for under $100.
And it is just like everything else. The country with a
longest life span on the planet is Japan and where are these
units coming from? Japan. They understand Refractometers in
Japan. You're not going to fool them with the produce. They
all check it over there. And that is a place where we need
to get here today to solve our health care problems.
ADAM: Let's talk about the cucumber plant that you have.
This is exciting.
ROGER: I just threw a few cucumbers in for the fun of it,
and I did a watering on a foliar spray of the cucumber on a
Saturday, and I had used the structured water and I had used
a humus product and I applied it, and I usually don't come
to the greenhouse on Sunday and so it was Monday morning
when I first came back to the greenhouse. I walked in and I
looked at that cucumber and it looked like an excited
cucumber. It was standing up just like this! And I go holy
smoke, so I got the trellis string out and I said we got to
run this puppy up.
So I continued to water on a daily basis with the structured
water. We give it some compost tea and some other formulas
once a week, the foliar feed with the structured water, and
the cucumber got to a height of over 15 feet. From that
cucumber plant I harvested in excess of 56 pounds of #1
cucumbers! This doesn't count the juicers that I took off of
there that we just juiced because they didn't turn out
perfect. So 56 pounds.
Now, Briden Big Charles and I were over at Mesa College by
invitation at their Ag Department and we Brixed the
cucumbers that they were growing there and they barely got
over 1 on the Refractometer scale. Mine didn't get to 14
where I wanted but they were over 6, so we had 500 percent
nutrient density over what they are growing at the college
there. So 56 pounds; a whole lot better than what you can
get at the grocery store cucumbers. Some of them were two
pounders. And they tasted good - they weren't bitter. That
was the great part.
ADAM: You had some other effects from getting this
structuring device on line. Talk about that.
ROGER: I cannot quantify on this side of the unit that the
water made these better per se because I didn't have a
control or whatever, even though we got great results and I
wouldn't take the unit off for anything. But Clayton, the
guy that builds the unit, told me when he was telling me
about the unit that it would not only program the water on
the outlet side of the unit, it would also program water on
the inlet side of the unit, the feed side of the unit.
Needless to say I didn't believe a word he was saying but I
put the unit on anyway. It has got to program water on the
feed side.
So three things that I have noticed out here. Number 1, I
have an old mobile sitting over there, and domestic
engineering is not my strong suit. It has a restroom in
there with a toilet and it hasn't been scrubbed for quit
some time and there was a tremendous film building up in the
bowl. One day I noticed in there that the film was starting
to lift. I'm the only one out here 99 percent of the time
and I haven't been scrubbing the stool. Well, long story
short, it finally hit me two or three days later it has got
to be the water that is starting to pull the scum, the film
off of the side of the toilet.
Now, over here on the other side we have an RO unit. You
know it is two 4 by 40 membranes in there. I have been
working with 4 by 40 membranes since 1994 when I got the
first water store, and those have to be cleaned two to three
times a year, depending on usage and feed water. Now the
membranes I have run at about 130 pounds pressure. When the
pressure gets up to 150 pounds, you have to clean the
membranes or you have to replace them. When you clean the
membranes it is nasty chemicals and a nasty job and I don't
like doing it. When the pressure goes up it means your
membrane is scaling, all the stuff you are trying to take
out of the water is finally plugging up that membrane. The
water pressure is going up.
So I said I'll come back and clean you next week, since that
is my favorite thing to do. I came back a week later and in
15 years I have never seen a membrane de-scale, but the
press had gone from 150 back to 130, which is normal. 130 is
where these membranes want to be running. Different types of
membranes run at different pressures, but these run at 13O
for the volume I want. It had gone from 150 to 130, so it
de-scaled the membrane.
Now remember this on the feed side of the unit. This is what
really amazed me about it. Also I have a waterfall here and
I have a sump outside that we run the waterfall out of. It
is not a good tank to have outside, it is a clear tank and
it grows a lot of algae in there and you have to be diligent
about taking care it or it really gets bad. I was remiss. I
walked out there one day and you couldn't see two inches
into the tank it was so green and murky. You know my
favorite thing to do is clean, "I'll clean you next weak".
ADAM: Now two other things; one of them had to do with fire
ants. What happened?
And so what we have done is we have changed the energy
pattern of the property here, because the inside columns,
the rodent comes to take out what we shouldn't be eating. So
the energy levels have changed here and they have left. I
can go over to my neighbors and show you the fire ants, they
are still over there, but on this property here, four acres,
I haven't seen fire ants for at least 90 days.
ADAM: I know what the other thing was. The fact is you have
had a structuring device online before putting this unit in,
so a lot of these conditions were still present even with
the other structuring device.
ROGER: The other structuring device I have had excellent
results with, especially in the area of water savings. We
have demonstrated that and had a couple different projects
that we can save a lot of water by using this unit, but like
you say the unit was on and the membranes have been scaling
all these years with that unit on. And so the only time the
membranes did not scale was after we put this other unit in.
ADAM: We are talking about something that is totally green.
It sounds hard to believe when there is no electricity, no
magnets, nothing other than movement that is making
something happen. And sometimes experience is the best way
of really demonstrating what is possible.
ROGER: I still think there is a synergy effect of everything
that we do, from the microbials that we propagate to the
water that we use to just our attitudes; everything is
energy. But definitely the water has contributed to the
higher energy level that we have.
ADAM: Especially when you look at the other structuring
device you had. Were you using the same types of like the
humus and the other ... were those constant before?
ROGER: No. I'm fortunate that a lot of the things were but I
had two variables come into play, the water and the humus.
Both came into place at about the same time so I hadn't used
those before.
ADAM: That is a good thing too. The nice thing about nature
is that it is complimentary, they work together. It is not
an antagonistic kind of situation where one thing is going
to come in like the cavalry and do something to the bad
guys; there is a synergistic approach. The water should be
there. The minerals, the other aspects that the humus or
humic or fulvic acid or whatever they are, they should be
part of that too and they all work together to actually
create what you are looking for. Thank you have much.
ROGER: You bet.
ADAM: I want you to thank Roger for sharing his experiences
with the Utopic Water Device and my friend George Clark, a
nutritionist and founder of Back Fence Nutrition, for
joining me on this journey. You could say that Roger
Dagget's story is one in 6 billion and you would be right,
but it holds a key that is important to us all. Everyone
needs water and everyone needs water that contains life,
that contains energy, and water that has biophotons released
that has been measured, a measurable increase in biophotons
is water that has life within it. And in Roger's example you
see what is possible. The changes that will occur for you
are yours.
If you have any questions or if you are interested in more
information about a Structured Water Device, please
contact the company or one of its distributors. Thank you.
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